National Hydrogen and Fuel Cells Codes & Standards Coordinating Committee/US TAG Team Meeting - Final Agenda
Russell Hewett, NREL

AGENDA - July 13, 2005
National Hydrogen and Fuel Cells Codes & Standards Coordinating Committee/US TAG Team Meeting

July 18 - 19, 2005
SAE Automotive Headquarters
755 W. Big Beaver, Suite 1600, Troy MI 48084

Telephone: 248/273-2455
Fax: 248/273-2494
For directions see www.sae.org/about/contact/dbodir.htm.

Call-In Number: 217/322-6900
PIN: 1097#
(Note: need to confirm call-in number for this meeting)


DAY ONE | DAY TWO

DAY ONE: July 18, 2005

9:00 - 10:00Continental Breakfast

10:00 - 10:30Call to Order/Introductions Around the Table/
Welcoming Remarks

10:30 - 11:00Discussion
Integrating In-Person Meetings of the US TAG Teams and the National Hydrogen and Fuel Cells Codes and Standards Coordinating Committee

11:00 - 11:30(1) Schedule of Upcoming National Hydrogen and Fuel Cell-Related Codes and Standards Meetings/Events (Kelvin Hecht et al.)

(2) National Codes and Standards Documents in the Comments or Review Stage (Kelvin Hecht et al.)

[Download accompanying document - 121Kb PDF]

11:30 - noon(1) Mission Statement for National Committee

(2) Process/Sequence for CDOs and SDOs to give their
reports during teleconference meetings

11:15 - Noon(1) Mission Statement for National Committee
(2) Process/Sequence for CDOs and SDOs to give their
reports during teleconference meetings

Noon - 1:00Working Lunch
News (of Significance - if Any and Not Discussed Above) from the CDOs and SDOs Relating to Hydrogen and/or Fuel Cells)
(Excluding ICC and NFPA - To Report Later)
(a) ASME?
(b) API?
(c) CGA?
(d) CSA-America?
(e) SAE
(f) UL
(g) IEEE? 
(2) Additional Discussion Regarding the Mission Statement?
(3) Etc?

1:00 - 2:00

Model Codes: Status Reports/What Comes
Next

(1) NFPA 

  • Status report on NFPA52
  • Results of June 2006 meeting
  • What's next?
  • Status of Concept for Consolidating Hydrogen Safety
    Requirements into a Single Document?

(2) ICC 

  • Preparations for upcoming Final Actions Hearings
  • Future of Ad Hoc Committee
  • What's next? (Working with HAMMER?)
  • Needs?

2:00 - 3:00

Fuel Cell Vehicle Standards

  • Harmonization of standards between SDOs. (e.g. ISO TC 22 SC21 and SAE for fuel consumption, SAE 2572 and ISO 2513/14)
  • ISO TC 58 Harmonization - Norm Newhouse
  • OEM Involvement - Chris Sloane

3:00 - 3:15Break

3:15 - 4:15

Global Technical Regulations

  • Current Status - Cathy Gregorie-Padro, Bob Mauro, Martin Koubek, NHTSA
  • 1958 Accords versus 1998 Accords - USA Participation
  • GTR Roadmap
  • ICE versus FCV
  • Type Testing versus Self Certification
  • Status of door closure GTR
  • Source documents expected to be used - ECE, EN, ISO, IEC, SAE, FMVSS, NGV2/HGV2, EIHP, Japanese Regulations "consensus" or unanimous?

4:15 - 5:15

Hydrogen Fuel Quality

  1. SAE Task Force Matrix (Ron Sims)
  2. ISO TC 197 WG#12 Status - TBD (many of us)
  3. Briefing on USFCC Joint Hydrogen Quality Task Force (Scheffler/Collins/Androsky)
  4. Path from Here to an International Standard (Jim Ohi)

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  DAY TWO: July 19, 2005

8:30 - 9:00Continental Breakfast

9:00 - 9:15

ISO TC 197 on Hydrogen 
(Bob Mauro)

  • Hydrogen fittings
  • Ad Hoc Hydrogen Components Working Group
  • WG activity updates (list all of them here)
  • Items open for comment or vote
  • Next Plenary Meeting is November 10, 2005 in Palm Springs

9:15 - 9:30

IEC TC 105 on Fuel Cells 
(Kelvin Hecht)

  • Working Groups - Current Status & Future Directions
  • Items open for comment or vote
  • Next Plenary meeting

9:30 - 9:45ISO Technical Committee 220 on Cryogenic
Vessels
(Alex P. Varghese Manager of Engineering, 
Gardner Cryogenics / Tom Joseph, Air Products)

9:45 - 10:00ISO Technical Committee 153 on Valves
(Kevin Ennis, ASME)

Standards for Extended Bellows Valves for Hydrogen Service are being developed by the Valve Manufacturer's Standardization Society - Bill McLean

10:00 - 10:15Break

10:15 - 10:30CGA Hydrogen And Fuel Cell Efforts

ISSUE: Potential overlap and lack of coordination between CGA pipelines and ASME pipelines work (CGA is more interested in operation? ASME is relied upon for design guidance?)

10:30 - 10:45ISO TC 118 - Compressors
(John Addington, Compressed Air and Gas Institute)

10:45 - 11:00ISO TC 11 on Pressure Vessels
(Kevin Ennis, ASME)

11:00 - 11:15ISO TC 58 on Gas Cylinders 
(Norm Newhouse, Lincoln Composites)

11:15 - 11:30ISO TC 22 SC 21 on Electric Road Vehicles
(Tony Androsky, Glenn Scheffler)

11:30 - 12:30Working Lunch
(Open Discussion and Reporting by any other
International Standards Organizations)

(1) USA Position(s) Regarding Hydrogen and Fuel Cell Codes and Standards to Facilitate Access to International Markets?
(2) International Codes and Standards Template (Jim Ohi)

12:30 - 1:15

Japanese New Work Item Proposal
ISO/TC 197 N310 (Hydrogen Detectors)

1:15 - 1:30

Website Updates

  • Hydrogen & Fuel Cell Safety Report
  • Fuelcellstandards.com
  • ANSI Portal
  • ISO TC 22 SC21 Web Site
  • ISO TC 197 Website

1:30 - 2:00

Wrap Up

  1. Integrating In-Person Meetings of the USTAG Team and the National Hydrogen and Fuel Cells Codes & Standards Coordinating Committee: Next Steps
     
  2. Action Items
     
  3. Date for Next In-Person Meeting

2:00Adjourn

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Additional Materials for the National Hydrogen and Fuel Cells Codes & Standards Coordinating Committee/US TAG Team Meeting
Russell Hewett, NREL

Here are some additional materials for use in the Combined In-Person Meeting of the National H2 and Fuel Cells C&S Coordinating Committee and the US TAG Teams scheduled for July 18-19 in Troy, MI.

(1) Background information about USFCC (2,205Kb PowerPoint file)

(2) Copy of the "Generic" Agenda for conducting the monthly teleconference meetings of the Coordinating Committee (25Kb MS Word file)

(3) Copy of ANSI's Report to NREL regarding activity on the Hydrogen and Fuel Cells Portal website during the period Jan - Jun 05

- Overview (24Kb MS Word file)

- Spreadsheet (17Kb Excel file)

Fuel Quality Update
Karen Hall, National Hydrogen Association

ISO TC 197 WG 12 met in Kyoto, Japan on June 29 - July 1 to finalize the draft International Technical Specification for Hydrogen Fuel - Product Specification, for use in early demonstrations of PEM fuel cell road vehicles.

Jim Ohi (NREL) and I represented the U.S. Technical Advisory Group (TAG) with comments from four U.S. members of WG12. A set of comments was also received from Canada and Japan. The remaining attendees were from Korea and Japan.

During the first day, we went through comments from Japan and Canada, and began going through comments from the U.S. During the second day, we went through the remaining comments from the U.S. and devised a plan to complete the draft for submittal to ISO TC 197 for review by the entire Technical Committee (TC).

Most comments were resolved favorably. There were a few that conflicted with each other, the SAE draft on the same subject, or both. The group agreed to attend the next meeting of the SAE Task Force on Hydrogen Quality on July 20 in Troy, Michigan to resolve the open issues. This is the last chance to influence the ISO draft before it is sent to the ISO Secretariat for editing and distribution to all TC member countries for voting.

Working Group 12 will then meet informally immediately following the SAE Task Force meeting to determine the resolution of these remaining comments, based on the discussions at SAE. The WG12 secretary will then finalize the draft TS and submit it to ISO TC 197.

Although there are members of the EU countries on the WG, they have not been active in the WG meetings. Japan will plan to present the work and methodology at the plenary meeting in Palm Springs in November. The WG continues to be an open process. The WG encourages comments to improve the TS, and especially encourages countries to suggest test methods acceptable in their countries for ensuring contaminant levels are not exceeded. Those who can attend the SAE meeting on July 20 should do so. Otherwise, voting countries are encouraged to provide this information in the comments to the draft International Technical Specification. The ISO review process allows three months to review the document. WG12 plans to have the draft to the ISO TC 197 Secretariat in August so that it can be circulated to TC member countries in advance of the Plenary in Palm Springs on November 10.

Information Needed on Existing Hydrogen Cleanliness Standards
Frank Niezabytowski, SAE Fuel Cell Standards Committee

The Interface Working Group of the Fuel Cell Standards Committee at SAE is working on a series of documents related to hydrogen fuel and hardware requirements for road vehicles. To date, the work has been focusing on fuel quality, fueling nozzles and receptacles, and communications between the dispenser and vehicle during refueling.

In the process of generating these documents, the committee has identified a potential escape. The fuel quality requirements are for a high quality fuel, however, there are no minimum cleanliness requirements for hardware in these documents. SAE would prefer to not have to generate a minimum cleanliness standard. Instead, they would like to adopt an existing document or documents by reference. However, to do this will require outside assistance and guidance.

The presently envisioned fuel quality requirements are contained in the draft of the SAE Technical Information Report (TIR) J2719. These requirements are essentially the same as those in the draft of the international technical specification ISO/PDTS 14687-2 and are basically a grade four 9's fuel with specific exclusions of compounds expected to be detrimental to hydride storage and fuel cell stacks.

The Interface Working Group requests assistance in identifying existing relevant cleanliness standards and cleaning specifications.Table 1 (below) shows the limited results of our literature search.

Additionally, we request guidance in selecting the appropriate level of cleanliness. We realize that under specifying cleanliness will result in contaminated systems and over specifying cleanliness will result in unnecessary cost.

If you can provide any information on these topics, please contact Interface Working Group Chairman, Frank Niezabytowski, by telephone (313) 322-9657 or email, fniezaby@ford.com.

TABLE 1: Cleanliness Standards and Procedures

SDONumberRelease DateTitle

BS EN1918-206/15/1998Gas Supply Systems - Underground Gas Storage - Part 2: Functional Recommendations for Storage in Oil and Gas Fields

BS EN1230002/15/1999Cryogenic Vessels - Cleanliness for Cryogenic Service

BS IEC6087705/15/1999Procedures for Ensuring the Cleanliness of Industrial-Process Measurement and Control Equipment in Oxygen Service-Supersedes BS 6869: 1987;

CGAG - 4.12004Cleaning Equipment for Oxygen Service

GM9324P01/01/1991Internal Cleanliness of Nonmetallic Fuel Tanks

IECTR 6087701/01/1999Procedures for ensuring the cleanliness of industrial-process measurement and control equipment in oxygen service-Second Edition

ISO14952-211/15/2003Space systems Surface cleanliness of fluid systems Part 2: Cleanliness levels-First Edition

ISO1538809/01/2004Space systems Contamination and cleanliness control-First Edition

ISO14952-611/15/2003Space systems Surface cleanliness of fluid systems Part 6: Precision-cleaning processes-First Edition

ISO2320802/15/2005Cryogenic vessels Cleanliness for cryogenic service-First Edition

NASAKSC-C-123H Chg 609/05/2000Surface Cleanliness Of Fluid Systems, Specification For

SAEARP117603/01/1999Oxygen System and Component Cleaning and Packaging-Supersedes AIR 1176A

SAEJ225401/01/1995Fluid Power Piping Cleaning Process, Information Report-September 1995

Hamburg Expo Provides Opportunity to Discuss Certification
Karen Hall, National Hydrogen Association

I have written previously about the difficulty in finding hydrogen sensors certified to any standards referenced in the developing codes and standards for hydrogen technologies (see The Hydrogen Safety Report, October 2004). After a bit of investigating, I have discovered that sensor manufacturers, many of whom are small companies, cannot afford the burden of certification testing, which is generally more than $25,000 per product. This is especially true with new technologies, such as hydrogen sensors, when the market has not determined the size, configuration, sensitivity, and other key parameters needed. It would be cost-prohibitive to certify all pre-commercial products. I have also discovered that small companies have difficulties in navigating certification requirements in countries where they would like to do business, especially when those requirements differ from one region to another. Certification issues such as these, and others relating to hydrogen energy technologies and fuel cells, will be discussed in Hamburg on 31 August and 1 September, 2005. 

The Seminar, titled, "Introducing Hydrogen Energy Technologies in a Global Market: Certification and Listing Issues in Major International Markets", is being held in conjunction with H2Expo, Europe's biggest marketplace for hydrogen and fuel cell technologies. Business, science and opinion-leaders use the leading international forum to exchange know how and generate new business.

This certification seminar is one of two seminars being held in conjunction with H2Expo, the annual International Conference and Trade Fair for Hydrogen and Fuel Cell Technologies. The H2Expo combines international know-how transfer and a state-of-the-art marketplace to provide you with the information you are looking for and give you a comprehensive overview of industry intelligence and market trends.

The Seminar is aimed at: Private and Public entities/organizations who need information on international requirements to introduce commercial products into international markets; Strategic marketing and sales specialists dealing with hydrogen and fuel cell technologies; Investors and risk management people/ insurance companies; and anyone interested in understanding the regulatory issues involved with commercializing products in international markets.

Although the deadline for submitting abstracts has passed, there are still a limited number of opportunities to increase your company's visibility at this international event through short presentations and panel discussions. Interested parties are encouraged to contact me (hallK@hydrogenassociation.org) if you would like to discuss any of the following topics:

Commercializing Stationary Power Systems
Industry leaders discuss timelines for commercialization of hydrogen energy products for stationary applications, success Stories, and Issues.

Commercializing Transportation Systems
Industry leaders discuss timelines for commercialization of hydrogen energy products for transportation applications, success Stories, and Issues.

Commercializing Portable Power Systems
Industry leaders discuss timelines for commercialization of hydrogen energy products for portable power applications, success Stories, and Issues.

Of course, even if you aren't presenting in the Seminar, we look forward to active audience participation.

To see the complete program of H2Expo 2005 - Workshops, Safety Training and more - visit www.h2expo.com. Click on details for Conference 2 for more information about this seminar. You may also download a brochure for the Expo here (680Kb PDF).

European Commission Opens State of the Art Hydrogen and Fuel Cell Test Facilities
European Union Press Release

European Commissioner for Science and Research, Janez Potocnik recently opened new hydrogen and fuel cell testing facilities at the Commission’s Institute for Energy in Petten, the Netherlands. The new facilities are part of the Commission’s endeavour to provide policy-makers and industry with independent evaluation of the performance of hydrogen and fuel cell technologies in terms of efficiency, safety, environmental impact and reliability, through simulating lifetime operational conditions of fuel cells and hydrogen fuel tanks. Maria van der Hoeven, Dutch Minister for Education, Culture and Science will also attend the opening.

Read more:
http://europa.eu.int/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?
reference=IP/05/869&format=HTML&aged=0&language=EN
&guiLanguage=en

The European Hydrogen & Fuel Cell Technology Platform
https://www.hfpeurope.org/

Institute for Energy
http://www.jrc.nl/

IEC TC 105 Document Available for Review
Karen Hall, National Hydrogen Association

The committee draft for vote on IEC/CD 62282-3-1 Fuel cell technologies - Part 3-1: Stationary Fuel Cell Power Systems - Safety, is currently being circulated for approval among the P-members of IEC/TC 105 Fuel cell technologies.

This document, which is the equivalent of an ISO Draft International Standard (DIS), is at the same time circulated among the P-members of ISO/TC 197 for the approval of the hydrogen safety related aspects.

Members of the US Technical Advisory Group (TAG) for ISO TC 197 and IEC TC 105 are reminded to send in their comments to their TAG Secretary.

Mark Your Calendars: Plenary Meeting for ISO TC 197
Karen Hall, National Hydrogen Association

The 2005 Plenary meeting for ISO TC 197 has been scheduled for November 10, 2005 in Palm Springs, California. This meeting will be held in conjunction with the 2005 Fuel Cell Seminar. It is likely that several working groups and ad hoc groups will schedule meetings for the week as well. For more information on the venue, please visitwww.fuelcellseminar.com.